Be aware

[The Judge]

Totally agree with you Dave...Patrolling is a far safer and visible option.

A cop jumping out at you mid corner is just as dangerous as wildlife doing the same thing....except the wombats arent likely to give you a ticket to the Policemens ball...

[mark]

Hi Dave

A bloke I know from Sydney was in a group of 4 in the National Park on mothers day. One of them was done at the same spot.

I sent him a link to your photos.

Here's what he had to say. His name happens to be Dave too.


Hi Mark,



Yep, that looks like it.. We were coming the other way, so there was plenty time to build up speed along that straight before the left hander.









The cop almost took out my mate 2nd in the convoy as he pulled out in a cloud of dust.



Court appearance in another week, will see what happens..



Cheers,

Dave





-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Newsham [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Sunday, 16 May 2010 12:00 AM

Subject: RNP Hiding Spots



Hi Again Dave



That mate of mine who got done in the National Park a few weeks ago has put

these images up of where he got done. Here's the link.



scducati.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=370&page=1



I thought it would be interesting to know if it was the same spot that your

mate done in.



Cheers



Mark N





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[deano]

Hi Guys,

As most of you know I was a cop in the UK for many years, and as you might also be aware I too have strayed a little above the speed limit at times (just a lillte)

I was a trained advanced driver and took part in many persuits whilst on duty both on bikes and in cars, It was deemed perfectly safe to do this due to the level of training I have had.

So Question, is speed dangerous? answer NO but the inappropriate use of speed can be.

In the UK (which I am perfectly aware I am not, before I get slagged off by some one posting a reply without the moral fibre to post their name) The cops are human and we always, not only judge speed but manner of driving and attitude of person being stopped for speeding. From my experiance here they are much more political animals and have no discresion at all in this matter, it is purely fund raising, and has no impact on road safety what so ever.

A motorvehicle being badly driven 10 KPH under the limit if far more dangerous than a motorvehicle being well driven and skillfully at 30KPH above the limit, and any moron knows that to be true,.

The only conclusion I can have is that it easier and more profitable to not have to engage your brain and look at each case individually before taking away a persons licence and possibly livelyhood for riding safetly with insurance on a well looked after machine in broad daylight on a well made up road.

Just to back this up log onto the Governmemts own RTA web site and check out the road deaths and accident toll for the past 10 years and then look at the revenue collected from speeding fines, where as the speeding fine revenue has increased greatly road deaths and accidents have stayed about constant with this year so far showing an increase.

Onw a more personal note, where were the good old cops when my house was being burgled and my Hyper stolen, out hassling the public for speeding, I was luck the person who founf my bike ( not a cop I have to add) hadn't just been nicked for speeding had their licence taken away and either couldn't be there to find my bike or thought f**k It who cares !!!!

Dean.

[Sam]

May 21, 2010 22:58:04 GMT -5 black widower said:

Well guys this thread has had quiet a few hits, my original intention was & still is to warn my fellow Ducati comrades.
"be aware" of the speed limit in the park & also to point out a trap amongst the gum trees. The reason why the speed limit in the park has been reduced is about "others, unfortunately their lives have ended in the park" accidents do happen.
Seeing a patrol car drive up & down through the park will make the place far safer, than hiding in the bush & letting someone exceed their limits and kill themselves. The spot I have pointed should not be used to hind in the bush, getting in & out would be more dangerous to the public. The person who decided to set-up in this spot is putting others at risk of an accident.
Can you imagine going through this bend seeing a car backing into that hole, even at 60 ks braking harsh mid corner will be dangerous.

Patrol the park, dont hide in the CracK s.

Yes the park speed limits have been reduced mainly because some halfwit's who have held a learners licence for five minutes and have gone out and bought themselves an R1 or GSXR1000 purely because they are cheap and look cool. These tools have no idea about riding but seem to think all you need to know is how fast you can go before writing themselves off. The cops are probably sick to death of getting the bucket and shovel out to clean up the carnage. Lets face it, it's not a great piece of road and with the tourist doing 40 looking at he beautiful wildflowers it can become a very dangerous piece of road when you are doing 150km. The Black widower sounds like he's taking it pretty well and lets hope he learns from this. $1700+ and 6 months means an over 45km/h ticket to me which means at least 110km/h in the 60, this is reasonable ain't it??? Oh yeah, 91km/h may be 30 over but would still only get you a ticket for 338 not your license gone. from my experience the cops from the gong seem pretty good and give a fair bit before even stopping you, I guess they draw the line at 45-50 over the speed limit. I pose this question to you all, How much over the speed limit would you have to be before you would expect to be doing before you was to get pinched? That section of road use to be an 80 and has never been a 100.

[Nev]

Hi Sam
The sentance "That section of road use to be an 80 and has never been a 100." Is not correct....
It was open slather up until 1982, there was no speed limit at all. Up until then if there was no street lights and no speed signs you could go as fast or slow as you deemed safe. This was all over NSW not just the park.
Cheers
Nev
P.S I agree with most of what you are say.

[JR the Bigdog]

Look when you accept the fact that your crack smoking Govt has to use deception to gain revenue.
Knows nothing about spending it in the right places.
Couldn't build a road way better than a pack of Jungle monkeys!
Then half the public actually believes that it is all in the name of safety!!
When Road tolls are still riseing year to year.
Figure that one out?

[John]

I know the road reasonably well.

Having run over a decent sized Deer at 80 km/h on a Cruiser with Engine Guards and high boots in the Nato and bruising my leg up nicely from the head lash there is no section with trees that I'm going 80 clicks let alone faster.

Two up on a Cruiser and straight over the top - came out of nowhere in a flash - we both ended up standing from the bump but kept it upright.

On a faired or low sportsbike - no chance!

[deano]

you see that last post just goes to show how people never think before they post, one, it is the individual who is speeding who has responsibility for his or her actions, two If you were on a sports bike and travelling quicker you would have been at home when the deer walked onto the road !!!!!

[The Judge]

Well Dave your thread has stirred the natives nicely...lots of good points in all the posts on this matter but the one that really provoked some thought on my side was Deano's comment that despite the significant rise in speeding fine revenue there has been no commensurate or significant reduction in rider deaths.

The simple fact is (putting aside the legalities) that speeding is an issue of personal judgement ...if your judgment is crap then the chances of you hurting yourself and others must rise ... So when you distill speeding fines down to the bare essentials the rules (and threat of huge fines) are supposedly there to protect us from having to use good judgement and raise revenue to send politicians to Amsetrdam to do fact finding tours of Holland's Rub and Tug Shops.

But despite my cynical comments about revenue raising we do need rules because not all riders are equal in skill or judgement but it really would be useful to empower the constabulary to excercise discretion in each circumstance rather than the one size fits all approach.

A classic case in point is about 10 years ago I overtook an unmarked cop car over double yellow lines on the old coal cliff bends (before the construction of the sea cliff bridge) ...he promptly pulled me over up the road and lectured me for about two minutes after which he let me off without a ticket...in my favour was that there was no oncoming traffic, he was travelling under the speedlimit and there were very few cars on the road... discretion at work...lesson learned ...nothing more to see.

Do that today and I will guarantee you a significant fine, several months "sans license" and a difficult converstation with your insurer at renewal time...lobby groups and governement toffs with self interest and personal agendas to run have a lot to answer for and their bleating heart diatribes and spurious quoting of meaningless statistics have infected the minds of everyone involved with the issue of speed and road safety.

In short a fixed regime of fines shouldnt be applied without any accord of the circumstances of the infringment... yes you can go to court and argue the circimstances in front of the local Beak but they rarley overturn decisions made by Plod...The cops are in the best position to decide at the time...If they are rational and excercise good judgement before imposing the fine and allow latitude where its sensible to do so not to many of us would have much to complain about.

[black widower]

Hi guys, this has had some attention. I know why the cops got hot in the park, & it has everything to do with deaths in the park.
What happen to me I'm sure has happen to alot of others. Our friends are there to clean up, in more ways than one.
I was in the park, no one front of me no one behind, a nice clear dry day. What is crazy is this, from the RTA

More than 20 km/h but not more than 30 km/h (in school zone) 5 points, $338, next

More than 30 km/h but not more than 45 km/h (in school zone) 6 points, $816,
There is a heap of others go to the RTA.

These two offenses should be loss of license, considering the possibility of someone to be killed crossing the road.

Cruising along @ freeway speed limit on a straight section of road through the "National Park" on a my 28 year old Italian motorcycle isn't dangerous to anyone. I'm sure the manufacturer can vouch for that, 112%

More than 45 km/h, 6 points $1,744 & instant loss of license.

Warnings are a thing of the past, easy money is to be had when you consider the price of todays fines. Its so much easier to hind in the bushes & wait. 6.0litre V8s are thirsty, then per-sue
There's a sucker born every second.

Life goes on.

[Sam]

Hi guys,
Its been a while since I last left a note but now I will tell you that anyone in their right mind will agree that $1744 is a lot of coin, but so is 120 in a 60 zone. Anyone that is crying about getting an over 30 ticket down there is lying through there teeth. I tell you if the speed limit is 60 and you are getting a 60km/h buffer before you wear one and you still want to whine you better look out. On day the coppers might just have a zero tolerance day and start writing at 10 over the speed limit. Yeah the fines are smaller but who likes paying speeding fines, I would rather buy 4 cartons of premium beer than pay 1 speeding ticket at that sort of speed. How easy is it to do 95 down there and that may just result in a lost of your licence for three months. Time to catch the bus to work or loose your job if you cant get there, not pay the rent = live in a tent and see how much you love the Nato then, gets cold down there this time of year ahh. I will finish with, those signs with the big black numbers and red circles, correlate them with the numbers on your speedo and every thing will be OK. I know you guy are switched on and can do it because the ramifications of not being able to or choosing not to can be horrific. Could mean hugging a tree and your wife giving you the biggest reaming of your life when you tell her you cant pay the rent for the next 3/6 months because of a brain explosion. Guarantee she wont be living in the tent with you.

[bewtducscoot]

Just waned to add my thanks for the heads up. I imagine he's still likely to hide out there.

Don't think I'll add any comments on my feelings re the LAW and their WAYS, don't want to get booted on my first day!